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Kens comments on Psalm 83


Much loved brothers and sister in Christ.


 
Since the book ‘Isralestine’ written by Bill Salus hit the book stalls, a number of people have enquired of me has to whether or not I agree with Bill’s thoughts, that Psalm 83 is a specific Bible prophecy that will be fulfilled just or shortly before the signing of the seven year covenant?

 

When I was first asked about this I looked up a number of web sites of Bill Salus and those commenting on this book, his thoughts on Psalm 83 and their own thoughts. A couple of sites crossed referenced Psalm 83, with Obadiah and 2 Chronicles 20. So I also looked at all three Bible references. Obadiah did not add much light, but I found Psalm 83 interesting.


 
As I have seen it for a number of years now, there will possibly, most likely be a major attack by Arab nations on Israel just prior to the last 10½ years before the Second coming of Jesus Christ. So far I have not located any Biblical prophecy that specifically mentions this attack. Then during the last 10½ years there will three major attacks on Israel.

 

The first these attacks will be by the forces of the beast, climaxing 3½ years into the seven year covenant, with the setting up of the abomination that causes desolation in the temple, followed by the occupation of Jerusalem for  3½ years by the forces of the beast. As the Israelites are defeated in this attack, there is no way this attack could be the one and the same event mentioned in Psalm 83.

 

The second attack will be by combined forces of the beast and the armies of Gog of Magog, coming almost 2 years after the ending of the seven year covenant. Although this attack by the armies of Gog of Magog could be the one and the same as that mention in Psalm 83, it does not really fit and I would be more inclined to say No! Psalm 83 is not speaking about the attack of Gog of Magog.

 

The third attack will be by the forces of the beast, climaxing with the battle of Armageddon.

 

In speaking this attack Daniel writes;

 

Daniel 11:41 He shall also enter the Glorious Land, and many countries shall be overthrown; but these shall escape from his hand: Edom, Moab and the prominent people of Ammon.

 

Given that in Psalm 83 these nations of Edom, Moab and Ammon are counted among those who attack Israel, this attack by the forces of the beast mention in Daniel 11:40 – 43 cannot be the same attack mentioned in Psalm 83.

 

Having ruled out all three attacks against Israel in the last 10½ years, this leaves only the question; does Psalm 83 fit the attack that I have long said will come against Israel shortly before the signing of the seven year covenant, at the beginning of the last 10½ years?

 

At first glance one could say the attack of Psalm 83 would fit the like a glove into the end time scenario that I believe God gave me over 25 years ago. But one thing bugged me. I have long been of the option that vast majority of what I would refer to as specific prophecies about specific end time events will either be fulfilled in full during the last 10½ years, or they have already been fulfilled in part before 71 A.D. and the latter part would be fulfilled during the last 10½ years.

 

In between 71 A.D. and the signing of the seven year covenant there is a breach period, a period of time in which I believe no specific Bible prophecy has been or will be fulfilled. Yes there have been and will be some prophecies about the general condition of God’s people and the people of the world during this time and prophecies that come under the heading of birth pains. These birth pains are prophesied events that will happen many times during the breach period and beyond into the last 10½ years. Many of these birth pains  will happen more often as time draws closer to the end of days. Although these events are prophesied they cannot be taken as a sign because they continue to happen again and again possibly right up till the resurrection on the last day. 

  

So I believe that there no major, specific Bible prophecies to be fulfilled before the signing of the seven year covenant.

 

I am what many would call a believer in the post-tribulation rapture theory. That is to say I (like many other Christians) believe what many Christians call the rapture will not happen until sometime after the great tribulation. These Christians and I are sometimes called post-tribulationist. 

 

Now ever there are probably equally just as many Christians who claim to believe in the pre-tribulation rapture theory. That is to say they believe that the rapture will before the great tribulation. These people are sometimes called pre-tribulationist.

 

Most teachers of the pre-tribulation rapture theory believe and teach the doctrine of the imminent return of Jesus Christ and the imminent rapture of the Church, they teach that these two events will occur just before the signing of the seven year covenant. They also teach because the return of Jesus Christ is imminent, in that he could return at any time now, there can be no major or specific prophecy or prophecies to be fulfilled before the second coming of Jesus Christ just before the signing of the covenant. These teachings have been around since about 1840.

 

Therefore,  the majority of pre-tribulationist and I, although we may use different words and describe it in different ways, they and I both agree there are no major or specific prophecies to be fulfilled until just before the signing of the seven year covenant.

 

At this time I will mention long time teacher of the pre-tribulation rapture theory Chuck Missler. I went to listen to Chuck about four years ago. Although we both have different views on end time events, we do both study the same evidence. During this meeting Chuck shared his view/belief that the invasion of Gog of Magog (mention in Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39) would come before the return of Jesus Christ and the rapture of the Church. He also shared that since he started teaching that the invasion of Gog of Magog would come before the return of Jesus Christ and the rapture of the Church, he had fallen out with a number of his fellow teachers of the pre-tribulation rapture theory. Why? Because this teaching of Chuck’s directly challenges the doctrine of the imminent return of Jesus Christ and the imminent rapture of the Church, which for many pre-tribulationist is the corner stone of the pre-tribulation rapture theory.

 

Now (as far as I am concerned) Chuck is very wrong, because the invasion of Gog of Magog will not come before, but after the great tribulation.

 

Why do I mention Chuck Missler at this time? Because Bill Salus sat under the teaching of Chuck and credits Chuck for teaching him both the basic Christian teachings and Chuck’s teachings on end time events, Chuck who had already broken the ranks of the pre-tribulation teachers by saying the invasion of Gog of Magog will come before the signing of the seven year covenant. Given this, Bill had no difficulty in saying Psalm 83 was prophesying an attack on Israel that would come shortly before the rapture of the Church, just before the signing of the seven year covenant. 

 

Although I don’t agree with Chuck and Bill, I believe it is a good thing that they have both rejected the doctrine imminent return of Jesus Christ and the imminent rapture of the Church. This will cause many pre-tribulationists to examine the pre-tribulation rapture theory. Perhaps in so doing they will discover the truth and throw out the pre-tribulation rapture theory altogether.    

  
 
On one web site I looked at it was suggested that Asaph who wrote Psalm 83 was a grandson of one of the prophets who prophesied during the time of King Jehoshaphat and Asaph in writing Psalm 83, was writing about Jehoshaphat’s victory over the combined armies of Edom, Moab, Ammon, Amalek, the Phlistines and Tyre; Then suggesting because the description of this war in Psalm 83 did not quite match the account given of war in 2 Chronicles 20, this must be and end time prophecy which was still to be fulfilled.

 

Problem: Asaph wrote eleven of the psalms, Psalm 73 to 83, after reading them all eleven psalms a number of times, I am of the opinion these psalms are looking back at Israel’s history, the tribulations they suffered and how whenever they turned to God and prayed, God had, time and time again intervened and delivered them from their troubles. The overall content of these eleven psalms of Asaph does not point to any of these psalms or Psalm 83 being a prophecy of end time events.

 

In 2 Chronicles 20:1 – 5 the nations surrounding Judah combined to attack Judah. On hearing newsof this pending attack Jehoshaphat turns to God and calls the people together to fast and pray for God deliverance from their enemies.

 

In the middle of this prayer Jehoshaphat prays:

 

(K.J.V.) 2 Chronicles 20:8 And they dwelt therein, and have built thee a sanctuary therein for thy name, saying, 9 If, when evil comes upon us, as the sword, judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we stand before this house, and in thy presence, (for thy name is in this house,) and cry unto thee in our affliction, then you will hear and help.

 

This prayer is a direct reference Kings Solomon’s prayer (2 Ch 6:28 – 30) and God’s promise to the Children of Israel in answer to that prayer (2 Ch 7:14 - 15).

 

(K.J.V.) 2 Chronicles 6:28  (Solomon’s prayer) If there be dearth in the land, if there be pestilence, if there be blasting, or mildew, locusts, or caterpillars; if their enemies besiege them in the cities of their land; whatsoever sore or whatsoever sickness there be: 29 Then what prayer or what supplication soever shall be made of any man, or of all thy people Israel, when everyone shall know his own sore and his own grief, and shall spread forth his hands in this house: 30 Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render unto every man according unto all his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men:)
         


(K.J.V.) 2 Chronicles 7:14 (God’s promise) If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attend unto the prayer that is made in this place.

 

So because we can tie Psalm 83 back to Jehoshaphat prayer in 2 Chronicles 20:8 – 9 which can be tied back to God’s promise, in 2 Chronicles 7:14 -15, to hear such a prayer, forgive their sin and heal their land. It therefore means we cannot say that Psalm 83 is in anyway referring to a specific coming event, for that would limit the promise of God to only one deliverance of His people. 

 

No! We cannot limit this promise of God to only one occasion, it is an open promise. Regardless whether Israel is attacked 1, 2, 3 or 100 times in these last days (and they have already been attack a number of times in the last 70 years) very time they turn to God in prayer, God will deliver his people.

 

So yes I am of the option that Psalm 83 will be fulfilled before the seven year covenant is signed, but how many times will it be fulfilled?

 

I am also of the opinion that the seven year covenant will be signed 10½ before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, but how many seven year covenants will there be signed in the years leading up to the signing of the seven year covenant?

 

According to the teachings of Jesus Christ the all these things are like birth pains that will keep coming and going until the end (Like the water flowing in and out with the tide, and are not reliable signs.) Therefore the first reliable sign will not be Israel’s victory over the Arab nations, nor will it be the signing of the seven year covenant, the first reliable sign will the placing of the abomination of desolation in the Holy place in the middle of the seven year covenant.

 

Yes do agree that some prophecies may be fulfilled in type or in part many times but their ultimate fulfilment will come in the last days. I also agree that that a battle similar to the one mentioned in Psalm 83 will very likely come to pass just prior to the signing of the seven year covenant. But Psalm 83 is light on specific details and unless we can tie it in with another prophecy with more specific detail as to the timing or location of this battle, I am not ready to rush in and say the ultimate fulfilment of Psalm 83 will come just before the signing of the seven year covenant. I am far more inclined to say; if there is to be an ultimate fulfilment of Psalm 83 in will come after the signing of the seven year covenant but before the end of days.

 

I pray that this letter will be of some help to those who have enquired of me has to whether or not I agree with Bill’s thoughts, that Psalm 83 is a specific Bible prophecy that will be fulfilled just or shortly before the signing of the seven year covenant?

 

May God be with you,
Prophet in Christ Ken.   

 


 

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